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Mensajepor reyfer » Mar Ene 13, 2015 10:01 pm


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Mensajepor Facu-CABJ » Mar Ene 13, 2015 3:25 pm

Qué pasa con el volumen acá? No vale decir que todos se fueron a APBR... :115:

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Mensajepor rickymansella » Mar Ene 13, 2015 3:17 pm

esto esta calculado en una demanda conservadora del 6% anual al2018 , pero imaginemos un desquilibrio en el crecimiento donde la demanda crezca a mayores tasas 10% etc la curva tendería rápidamente a valores del 2002,2003 con la capacidad estancada :100:
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Mensajepor rickymansella » Mar Ene 13, 2015 2:42 pm

rickymansella escribió:http://www.apic2014.com/download/PVC%20 ... pacity.pdf
Este informe explica bien el momento donde estamos parados :100:

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En 2013. Llagamos al punto de inflexion de la curva. Y calculado con una demanda estable de 6% Anual,
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Mensajepor rickymansella » Mar Ene 13, 2015 1:54 pm

http://www.apic2014.com/download/PVC%20 ... pacity.pdf
Este informe explica bien el momento donde estamos parados :100:

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Mensajepor rickymansella » Lun Ene 12, 2015 11:52 pm

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para que se vea la correlacion ciclica entre adicion de capacidad y margenes ,es parecido al de indu

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Mensajepor reyfer » Lun Ene 12, 2015 10:33 am

Excelente análisis Ricky :respeto: un monstruo del fundamentalismo!

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Mensajepor rickymansella » Dom Ene 11, 2015 11:20 pm

dejo un grafico de los margenes de de ganancia bruta sobre ventas de indu ,fijense la correlacion con los otros graficos de oferta u demanda del pvc .son un calco 8)
fundamenos a mediano plazo :
-capacidad mundial estancada
-demanda mundial creciente (4 a 5% anual)
-nuevo grupo controlante (si es mexichem ,nuevo cliente amanco )
-petroleo barato ,etileno barato ,( actualmente con petroleo a 50 paso a ser mas competitiva que el pvc hecho en china en base al carbon ,este ocupa el 60% de la capacidad mundial ,asi que los chinos comenzaran a cerrar plantas de pvc carbon
-devaluacion (comodities en dolar ) mayor ganancia contra costos en pesos
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Re: INDU Solvay Indupa

Mensajepor rickymansella » Dom Ene 11, 2015 3:51 pm

reyfer escribió:A ver, en limpio, hablás de una limitación de la producción de PVC y un aumento de la demanda que lleva a un aumento de precios?
El gráfico que dice: PVC capacity coming into Balance muestra la disminución de la capacidad para abastecer el mercado?

Exacto capacidad fija ( oferta ) y demanda creciendo ,los precios suben :100: :arriba:
Hasta que los chinos y usa ven buena ganancia y te inundan de nuevos proyectos ('sobrecapacidD )

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Re: INDU Solvay Indupa

Mensajepor rickymansella » Dom Ene 11, 2015 3:46 pm

reyfer escribió:A ver, en limpio, hablás de una limitación de la producción de PVC y un aumento de la dbemanda que lleva a un aumento de precios?
El gráfico que dice: PVC capacity coming into Balance muestra la disminución de la capacidad para abastecer el mercado?

Te muestra que se dejo de agregar capacidad .el pico fue en de 2007 a 2011 ,luego se siguio agregando nuevas plantas hasta ya en el 2015 casi nada

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Mensajepor reyfer » Dom Ene 11, 2015 3:39 pm

A ver, en limpio, hablás de una limitación de la producción de PVC y un aumento de la demanda que lleva a un aumento de precios?
El gráfico que dice: PVC capacity coming into Balance muestra la disminución de la capacidad para abastecer el mercado?

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Mensajepor rickymansella » Sab Ene 10, 2015 10:10 pm


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luego de haber investigado el negocio del pvc hay algo muy importante que quiero destacar ,
el negocio del pvc es un negocio global que tuvo su mimento de auge que fue desde el 2000 al 2007 hasta que empezo a declinar en la actualidad .
entender la rentabilidad del negocio es muy compleja ,se puede hablar de muchas cosas: materias primas ,(caras baratas ),contextos economicos sociales distintos ,catasstrofes ,etc ,pero hay algo muy basico que reina en el mundo capitalista y es la famosaoferta y demanda ,
esta es la que va a regir sobre los precios globales, independientemente de todos los otros factores,
durante el auge del negocio a del pvc las petroquimicas ,/integradas o transformadoras sacaban margenes brutos de entre el 35 y 30% a nivel global ,nadie se preocupaba por suministros materias primas,GRUPOS CONTROLANTES etc ,que pasaba ???? la demanda superaba a lo oferta!!!!!!,hasta que en el 2007 esta comenzo a bajar hasta llegar a minimos en el 2009 para luego comenzar a crecer o a un 4% anual .
que paso con la oferta luego del 2007 se vino una sobrecapacidad desde china en base a la explotacion del carbon que tuvo su pico maximo hasa el 2012 y luego empezo a declinar y en este año ya no se agrega mas capacidad .
perspectiva a futuro :
A partir de ahora la rentabilidad del negocio comenzara a mejorar ,LA oferta de pvc se vera estancado hasta el 2020 en en 57millones de ton pero la demanda estara en 53 millones de ton por lo tando se volvera a equilibrar el negocio
obviamente el que tenga materia primas mas brata y un mejor contextoo economico sacara mas ventaja ,pero la clave esta ahi ,

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Mensajepor rickymansella » Vie Ene 09, 2015 8:40 pm

New projects may raise US ethylene capacity by 52%, PE by 47%

16 January 2014 23:04 Source:ICIS News


New projects may raise US ethylene capacity by 52%, PE by 47%By Joseph Chang

NEW YORK (ICIS)--An avalanche of petrochemical and polymers capacity is coming in the US, with construction starting in 2014.

The US shale gas boom has brought a renewed competitive advantage to the sector, spurring plans for additional new crackers.

There are now plans announced for a total of 10 new ethane crackers in the US – eight on the US Gulf Coast, and two in the northeast US. This represents around 12.5m tonnes/year of ethylene capacity, according to an analysis by ICIS.

Seven projects are beyond the feasibility stage and six companies have announced capacity figures for seven crackers.

The latest three of the 10 planned new crackers have been announced across the span of three months in late 2013 to early 2014.

In January 2014, Formosa Plastics chairman Lee Chih-tsuen was quoted in the Taipei Times detailing a plan to build a new 1.2m tonne/year cracker in Louisiana. This would be in addition to its planned new cracker in Point Comfort, Texas, where it is in the process of securing permits.

US-based integrated polyvinyl chloride (PVC) producer Axiall announced in December 2013 that it would build a $3bn cracker in Louisiana with a partner yet to be announced, for start-up by 2018.

Axiall would only need a portion of the ethylene produced for PVC feedstock, and so would contribute a third of the capital required. The company is back integrated into chlorine, but not ethylene.

In November 2013, officials from Brazil-based industrial conglomerate Odebrecht and the governor of the state of West Virginia announced a proposed cracker and three polyethylene (PE) units. Capacities were not disclosed.

The complex, to be called the Ascent (Appalachian Shale Cracker Enterprise) would be built in Wood County, West Virginia. Odebrecht would be responsible for investment and financing. Brazil-based Braskem, in which Odebrecht has a 38% stake and majority voting rights, would run the facility and market the PE.

In addition to the 10 planned greenfield projects, there are also 10 expansions planned at existing crackers amounting to 1.5m tonnes of ethylene capacity.

If all 10 crackers are built and the expansions go through as planned, the US is looking at a massive 52% increase in existing ethylene capacity to over 41m tonnes/year, according to an analysis by ICIS.

For those crackers where capacity figures have not been announced – Shell, Odebrecht, Axiall – ICIS has assumed an average size of 1.25m tonnes/year.

Just taking into account the six cracker projects on the US Gulf Coast where both capacities have been outlined and the projects have advanced beyond the feasibility stage (Chevron Phillips, ExxonMobil, Dow, Sasol, Formosa Plastics - Louisiana, and Occidental/Mexichem), plus the announced expansions of existing facilities, this amounts to a 33% increase in US ethylene capacity.

FLOOD OF POLYETHYLENE
Among the US cracker projects where derivatives have been announced, the bulk of the output will go into polyethylene (PE).

Chevron Phillips Chemical, Dow Chemical, ExxonMobil, Sasol, Formosa, Shell and Odebrecht have all announced PE plants downstream of their new crackers. Additional PE capacity will be built by LyondellBasell and Sasol/INEOS.

In total, US PE capacity stands to jump by 7.1m tonnes, or 47%, to around 22.4m tonnes/year if all the crackers and downstream plants, and stand-alone expansions take place, according to an analysis by ICIS.

This figure is poised to rise further as downstream plans are announced.

This includes assumptions that half of the output of Dow and Shell’s crackers go into PE (750,000 tonnes and 625,000 tonnes, respectively), and all of Odebrecht’s cracker output (1.25m tonnes), as it has specified three PE units.

Dow, Shell and Odebrecht have stated that PE would be produced, but have not announced capacities. ICIS has assumed zero PE capacity for PVC producer Axiall, although this remains a possibility for its planned partner. ICIS has excluded Formosa’s second planned cracker in Louisiana in the PE analysis as downstream intentions have not been confirmed.

Even excluding Shell and Odebrecht, as they have not specified any project capacities, the market is looking at a 34% increase in US PE capacity.

The huge projected PE capacity numbers have already given some producers pause.

NOVA Chemicals had planned to build another 470,000 tonne/year PE plant in Sarnia, Ontario, Canada for start-up by the end of this decade, but put the project on hold in December 2013, citing an oncoming glut of US PE capacity.

NOVA is now considering Ontario, the US Gulf Coast or elsewhere in the world. An investment decision is now expected to be made before the end of 2020.

The company is already building a 454,000 tonne/year linear low density PE (LLDPE) plant in Joffre, Alberta, Canada, for start-up in 2016.

In Moore, Ontario, Canada, NOVA is debottlenecking its low density PE (LDPE) plant while also retrofitting its high density PE (HDPE) unit.

E&C RESOURCE CONSTRAINTS
The heavy petrochemical project slate, along with a slew of other industrial projects in the US, is set to constrain skilled labour and other engineering and construction (E&C) resources.

Kevin Swift, chief economist of the American Chemistry Council (ACC), projects 2016 as the peak year for capital investment, although shortages in labour and E&C resources could push this back to 2017 or 2018, he noted.

Robert Connors, analyst covering the US E&C sector for investment bank Stifel Nicolaus, also expects 2016 to be the peak year for craft labour demand at over 35,000 workers. 2017 is also projected to be a heavy demand year at around craft 28,000 labourers needed.

The Stifel Nicolaus analysis takes into account US petrochemical projects, along with liquefied natural gas (LNG) projects from 2013-2018.

“We see project cost inflation peaking in 2016-2017. Construction cost inflation for downstream petroleum processing projects has been benign since peaking in August 2008,” said Connors. “We see another peak occurring in the 2016-2017 timeframe if the ethylene and LNG export projects are to hit their 2017-2018 online dates. So for now we believe the cycle is still in the ‘sweet spot’.”

The scheduled US ethylene projects from 2013-2018 are projected to require total craft labour of 42,500 (taking into account peak labour demand by project) while LNG projects in the same period will require 43,660, according to Connors.

To put this into historical context, the 2005-2008 heavy crude upgrade cycle for US refiners required around 28,200 craft labourers, the analyst said.

Petrochemical producers have increasingly expressed concerns about resource constraints.

“It is clearly taxing the resource base to support that type of growth, whether it is looking for skilled workforce or the capacity of engineering companies, the capacity of critical equipment suppliers,” said Randy Woelfel, CEO of NOVA Chemicals in December 2013.

Ultimately, this adds up to more time and money, he said. “Work is taking longer to progress. We're certainly seeing significant inflation in project costs.”

The US Federal Reserve, in its December 2013 Beige Book report about economic conditions, cited a similar trend.

“Refining and petrochemical contacts reported extreme difficulty finding engineers and construction laborers for current and proposed facility expansions, and noted a continued rise in wages,” said the Fed in its report.

In December 2013, Shell called off its $12.5bn gas-to-liquids (GTL) project in Louisiana because it had become too expensive.

“Despite the ample supplies of natural gas in the area, the company has taken the decision that GTL is not a viable option for Shell in North America, at this time, due to the likely development cost of such a project, uncertainties on long-term oil and gas prices and differentials, and Shell’s strict capital discipline,” the company said.

US PLANNED ETHYLENE EXPANSIONS BASED ON SHALE GAS

Company C2 capacity Downstream Location Start-up Status
NEW CRACKERS
Chevron Phillips Chemical 1.5m tonnes HDPE, LLDPE Cedar Bayou, Texas mid-late 2017 Construction early 2014
ExxonMobil Chemical 1.5m tonnes PE Baytown, Texas Late 2016 Permitting expected to be complete early 2014
Dow Chemical 1.5m tonnes LDPE, other PE, EPDM, elastomers, LAO (JV) Freeport, Texas 2017 EPC stage; permitting process
Sasol 1.5m tonnes LDPE, LLDPE, EO, MEG, detergent alcohols Lake Charles, Louisiana 2017 FEED, EPC stage; permitting; FID to come in 2014
Formosa Plastics 1.0m tonnes LDPE, MEG Point Comfort, Texas Q1 2017 Permitting process
Formosa Plastics 1.2m tonnes NA Louisiana NA Feasibility stage
Occidental Chemical/Mexichem 544,000 tonnes EDC, VCM Ingleside, Texas 2017 Construction mid-2014; permits complete
Axiall/Partner World-scale NA Louisiana 2018 FEED work, permitting
Shell World-scale PE, MEG Monaca, Pennsylvania 2019-2020* Feasibility stage
Odebrecht World-scale PE Wood County, West Virginia NA Feasibility stage

EXPANSIONS
INEOS 115,000 tonnes NA Chocolate Bayou, Texas 2014
Williams 273,000 tonnes NA Geismar, Louisiana Apr 2014
Westlake Chemical 82,000 tonnes NA Calvert City, Kentucky Q2 2014
LyondellBasell 363,000 tonnes NA La Porte, Texas mid-2014
Chevron Phillips Chemical 91,000 tonnes NA Sweeny. Texas 2014
Westlake Chemical 113,000 tonnes NA Lake Charles, Louisiana 2014
LyondellBasell 113,000 tonnes NA Channelview, Texas 2015
LyondellBasell 363,000 tonnes NA Corpus Christi, Texas Late 2015
Huntsman 19,300 tonnes EO Port Neches, Texas NA
BASF Fina Petrochemicals NA NA Port Athur, Texas 2014

* ICIS estimate
Source: Companies, ICIS analysis

US POLYETHYLENE PROJECTS

Company Project Capacity Grades Location Start-up
Sasol/INEOS New unit 470,000 tonnes HDPE US End 2015
Sasol New unit 450,000 tonnes LLDPE Lake Charles, Louisiana 2016
Sasol New unit 420,000 tonnes LDPE Lake Charles, Louisiana NA
ExxonMobil New units (2) 1.3m tonnes PE (premium) Mont Belvieu, Texas Late 2016
Chevron Phillips New units (2) 1m tonnes HDPE, LLDPE, other Sweeny, Texas 2017
Dow Chemical New units NA PE (high-value), LDPE Freeport, Texas 2017
Formosa Plastics New unit 300,000 tonnes LDPE Point Comfort, Texas 2016
Shell New units NA Unspec Monaca, Pennsylvania 2019-2020*
Odebrecht New units (3) NA Unspec West Virginia NA
LyondellBasell Debottleneck 100,000 tonnes Unspec US Early 2014
LyondellBasell New unit 454,000 tonnes Unspec US Late 2016

* ICIS estimate
Source: Companies, ICIS analysis


Additional reporting by Al Greenwood and Nurluqman Suratman


By Joseph Chang


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