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$ 888 el GJ17.. su precio es una PAVADA ATOMICA........
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CHIQUI1 escribió:U$S 3.000 o U$S 30.000 porque 3.000 no existe, es lo que se dice habitualmente CHIQUI taje,,,
Por 3º vez: U$S 3.000. Se ve que no poder comprar la chozita en Caballito lo dejó peor de lo que estaba.
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Nadie escribió: ¿En dónde podés ver esas operaciones?
Se dice el pecado,no el pecador
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JAQUE MATE escribió:Ahora 12,55.....12,65 .........operado 12,60....mercado
¿En dónde podés ver esas operaciones?
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U$S 3.000 o U$S 30.000 porque 3.000 no existe, es lo que se dice habitualmente CHIQUI taje,,,
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Ahora 12,55.....12,65 .........operado 12,60....mercado
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Nevermore escribió:12,65 mercado, 12,88 un poquito careli, igual no se de que montos hablamos
Ok gracias... 12,65 no conseguí en ninguna, ni nada cercano. Hablamos de casi 3k... Saludos!
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Nadie escribió:¿A cuánto están consiguiendo el blue? (compra) Me pasaron 12.88...
Hará media hora 12,85.
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Argentina's Secret Plan to Escape Default
By Sheelah Kolhatkar August 04, 2014
Argentinian President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
Photograph by Jacques Demarthon/AFP via Getty Images
Argentinian President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
“Default is not to pay,” Argentina’s President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner declared last week during a dramatic press conference in Buenos Aires. “Conditions for default are stated in the debt emission, in the contract, and a payment block is not in it.” She was referring to the fact that a Manhattan federal judge named Thomas Griesa issued an order blocking Bank of New York Mellon, the trustee that holds $539 million in funds Argentina deposited for a bond payment due by July 30, from distributing the money to holders of the notes until Argentina settles its dispute with a group of hedge funds. Because the payment was blocked, the country was declared to be in default on its debt, sending the markets into turmoil and triggering approximately $1 billion in credit-default swaps.
An examination of the terms of the bonds, however, suggests that Argentina may have outmaneuvered everyone. There’s a way for the country to escape default and still avoid settling with Paul Singer’s Elliott Management and other hedge funds. All Argentina has to do is drop a couple of checks in the mail.
Most bonds of this nature contain a provision saying that the debtor’s obligation to make a payment is fulfilled once it delivers the money to the trustee for the bondholders, which in this case is Bank of New York Mellon. Argentina has done that, so its argument, at least publicly, is that it’s up to the actual owners of the bonds to get their money from BNY Mellon. If a judge in New York is preventing that, it’s not Argentina’s problem.
VIDEO: Why Argentina's Default Triggers $1B in Swaps
It turns out, though, that the bonds Argentina issued in two restructurings in 2005 and 2010 contain an additional provision that says Argentina hasn’t satisfied its obligations until the money reaches the holders, which in this case are the depositaries of the bonds. The depositaries are the next step in the payment chain after Bank of New York Mellon.
Here is the actual language from the bond document:
Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, the Republic’s obligation to make payments of principal of and interest on the Securities shall not have been satisfied until such payments are received by the Holders of the Securities.
The depositaries in this case are an affiliate of the Depositary Trust Company for U.S. dollar-denominated bonds, and Euroclear, an affiliate of the European clearing system, for euro bonds. They serve as intermediaries between BNY Mellon and the actual investors. The money hasn’t made it to them. Under these terms and as of this writing, Argentina is definitely in default.
STORY: Argentina's Default and the Melodramatic Cult of Evita
Intriguingly, the bonds contain a little escape hatch that Argentina could use to satisfy its obligations without paying the hedge fund holdouts. Here’s the language from the bonds themselves:
The Republic may, subject to applicable laws and regulations, make payments of principal of and interest on the Securities by mailing, or directing the Trustee to mail, from funds made available by the Republic for such purpose, a check to the person entitled thereto, on or before the due date for the payment at the address that appears on the security register maintained by the Registrar on the applicable record date.
In short, Argentina could cure the “event of default” by cutting a few checks and mailing them to the holders, or depositaries, of the bonds. Argentina would bypass Bank of New York Mellon, which is the subject of Judge Griesa’s order. The judge could still bar the holders from distributing the money, but that wouldn’t prevent Argentina from correctly claiming that it had fulfilled the terms of the bond contract. This would then shift the fight to one between the bond investors and the depositaries; Argentina could argue that it’s completely out of it. The country would have to execute this maneuver before 25 percent of the outstanding bondholders declare that they want immediate and full repayment of their bonds, which they have the right to do because of the default. It would likely take a week or two for that to happen.
The low-tech check-mailing method would be messy, but it would erode the leverage held by Elliott Management and others while still giving Kirchner the grounds to say that Argentina hadn’t defaulted. And Argentina would have the option of announcing a new exchange offer for all of its outstanding bonds, and issue new ones with payments through banks outside of the U.S., beyond the reach of the American court system.
STORY: Argentina Defaults: Three Points
In the meantime, Argentina still seems to be hoping that Judge Griesa blinks and allows the money sitting at Bank of New York Mellon to go through to the investors, which would be the most straightforward outcome. On Aug. 1, Argentina’s securities agency asked the SEC for information about the recently triggered credit-default swaps, suggesting that some of the hedge fund “vultures,” as it refers to them, may have helped drive the country into default to collect on their own CDS contracts. In any event, Elliott and even Judge Griesa may have underestimated Argentina’s resourcefulness.
By Sheelah Kolhatkar August 04, 2014
Argentinian President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
Photograph by Jacques Demarthon/AFP via Getty Images
Argentinian President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
“Default is not to pay,” Argentina’s President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner declared last week during a dramatic press conference in Buenos Aires. “Conditions for default are stated in the debt emission, in the contract, and a payment block is not in it.” She was referring to the fact that a Manhattan federal judge named Thomas Griesa issued an order blocking Bank of New York Mellon, the trustee that holds $539 million in funds Argentina deposited for a bond payment due by July 30, from distributing the money to holders of the notes until Argentina settles its dispute with a group of hedge funds. Because the payment was blocked, the country was declared to be in default on its debt, sending the markets into turmoil and triggering approximately $1 billion in credit-default swaps.
An examination of the terms of the bonds, however, suggests that Argentina may have outmaneuvered everyone. There’s a way for the country to escape default and still avoid settling with Paul Singer’s Elliott Management and other hedge funds. All Argentina has to do is drop a couple of checks in the mail.
Most bonds of this nature contain a provision saying that the debtor’s obligation to make a payment is fulfilled once it delivers the money to the trustee for the bondholders, which in this case is Bank of New York Mellon. Argentina has done that, so its argument, at least publicly, is that it’s up to the actual owners of the bonds to get their money from BNY Mellon. If a judge in New York is preventing that, it’s not Argentina’s problem.
VIDEO: Why Argentina's Default Triggers $1B in Swaps
It turns out, though, that the bonds Argentina issued in two restructurings in 2005 and 2010 contain an additional provision that says Argentina hasn’t satisfied its obligations until the money reaches the holders, which in this case are the depositaries of the bonds. The depositaries are the next step in the payment chain after Bank of New York Mellon.
Here is the actual language from the bond document:
Notwithstanding anything herein to the contrary, the Republic’s obligation to make payments of principal of and interest on the Securities shall not have been satisfied until such payments are received by the Holders of the Securities.
The depositaries in this case are an affiliate of the Depositary Trust Company for U.S. dollar-denominated bonds, and Euroclear, an affiliate of the European clearing system, for euro bonds. They serve as intermediaries between BNY Mellon and the actual investors. The money hasn’t made it to them. Under these terms and as of this writing, Argentina is definitely in default.
STORY: Argentina's Default and the Melodramatic Cult of Evita
Intriguingly, the bonds contain a little escape hatch that Argentina could use to satisfy its obligations without paying the hedge fund holdouts. Here’s the language from the bonds themselves:
The Republic may, subject to applicable laws and regulations, make payments of principal of and interest on the Securities by mailing, or directing the Trustee to mail, from funds made available by the Republic for such purpose, a check to the person entitled thereto, on or before the due date for the payment at the address that appears on the security register maintained by the Registrar on the applicable record date.
In short, Argentina could cure the “event of default” by cutting a few checks and mailing them to the holders, or depositaries, of the bonds. Argentina would bypass Bank of New York Mellon, which is the subject of Judge Griesa’s order. The judge could still bar the holders from distributing the money, but that wouldn’t prevent Argentina from correctly claiming that it had fulfilled the terms of the bond contract. This would then shift the fight to one between the bond investors and the depositaries; Argentina could argue that it’s completely out of it. The country would have to execute this maneuver before 25 percent of the outstanding bondholders declare that they want immediate and full repayment of their bonds, which they have the right to do because of the default. It would likely take a week or two for that to happen.
The low-tech check-mailing method would be messy, but it would erode the leverage held by Elliott Management and others while still giving Kirchner the grounds to say that Argentina hadn’t defaulted. And Argentina would have the option of announcing a new exchange offer for all of its outstanding bonds, and issue new ones with payments through banks outside of the U.S., beyond the reach of the American court system.
STORY: Argentina Defaults: Three Points
In the meantime, Argentina still seems to be hoping that Judge Griesa blinks and allows the money sitting at Bank of New York Mellon to go through to the investors, which would be the most straightforward outcome. On Aug. 1, Argentina’s securities agency asked the SEC for information about the recently triggered credit-default swaps, suggesting that some of the hedge fund “vultures,” as it refers to them, may have helped drive the country into default to collect on their own CDS contracts. In any event, Elliott and even Judge Griesa may have underestimated Argentina’s resourcefulness.
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CHIQUI1 escribió:Por el precio que le pasaron, no mas de U$S 150 dólares habrá comprado o intentado comprar
3.000 u$s
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Nevermore escribió:
12,65 mercado, 12,88 un poquito careli, igual no se de que montos hablamos
Por el precio que le pasaron, no mas de U$S 150 dólares habrá comprado o intentado comprar
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estamos rodeados!
por acá elisa carrio
por allá gaga griesa
y más allá esto http://cronista.com/economiapolitica/A- ... -0066.html
por acá elisa carrio
por allá gaga griesa
y más allá esto http://cronista.com/economiapolitica/A- ... -0066.html
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Nadie escribió:¿A cuánto están consiguiendo el blue? (compra) Me pasaron 12.88...
12,65 mercado, 12,88 un poquito careli, igual no se de que montos hablamos
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si tuviese plata compraria GJ17 ahora que esta regalado.
Tengo aqui, y estuve a punto de venderlo, pero voy a esperar como PALITO ORTEGA...Le tengo FÊ
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alejoalejo
Si el PARY vale más que el PARA.
El GJ17 no tendría que valer más que el AA17?
Tengo aqui, y estuve a punto de venderlo, pero voy a esperar como PALITO ORTEGA...Le tengo FÊ
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alejoalejo
Si el PARY vale más que el PARA.
El GJ17 no tendría que valer más que el AA17?
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