Hace un año que vienen pensando es la posibilidad de no pagarles.Yo los vi obligados a pagarles con bonos a repsol , pero lo hicieron...tambien los vi obligados pagarles al cdparis, pero lo hicieron...ahora obligados... pagarles a buitres parece mas dificil...parece q tomara fuerza la idea de pagar en bs as...es que cuesta mucho emitir un bono para pagarle a los buitres. :cool2:
La gran ventaja de pagarles seria que la tasa de interes bajaria al 7% en un año, pero no se si el gobierno puede ver esto como lo mas importante(bajar la tasa) y presentar a la sociedad q para eso se hace el sacrificio de pagar a los buitres.
Yo haria eso , pagarles, porque es evidentemente mas barato garparles que no pagarles y tener tires altas.
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A todos los forros(que saben bien quienes son) vayanse bien a la pu** q los pario engañando a toda una sociedad sobre como funciona el mundo
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A todos los forros(que saben bien quienes son) vayanse bien a la pu** q los pario engañando a toda una sociedad sobre como funciona el mundo
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ya lo dije...me encanta espert....
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Fallo CS USA. Me embarga la misma sensacion q en 01: tristeza. 10 años diciendo lo q estaba mal, 10 años de descalificaciones y tener razon10:51 AM - 16 Jun 2014
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Fallo CS USA. Me embarga la misma sensacion q en 01: tristeza. 10 años diciendo lo q estaba mal, 10 años de descalificaciones y tener razon10:51 AM - 16 Jun 2014
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buzzaldrin
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manchadomartin escribió:"(...) no debería descartarse la posibilidad de que simbólicamente se depositen los pagos a los bonistas que ingresaron en los canjes de 2005 y 2010 que en teoría iban a efectuarse el 30 de junio y luego con los sucesivos vencimientos, en la Caja de Valores. "Queremos pagar pero no nos dejan", sería el mensaje o slogan en la siguiente movida del Gobierno"
http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=745486
rivas144 escribió: Eso sería lo más estúpido de todo
hernan1974 escribió:Entonces, esperable de este gobierno
rivas144 escribió:No tiene sentido eso, porque perdés plata, no negociás, y no mejorás tu imagen política ante nadie.
Lo más probable es que hoy Cristina salga a decir que no va a pagar la usura de los fondos buitres, y la especulación y el capitalismo salvaje y lrpqlp
No creo.
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Comparto a quien le interese....
Puse en venta todos los dicys que tenia, era un 17% de mi carterita comprados a $1104
Y también puse en venta parte de los dicas, un 16%, comprados a $1232
Como para estar un 30% liquido por un tiempo.... el jueves veo que hago...
Puse en venta todos los dicys que tenia, era un 17% de mi carterita comprados a $1104
Y también puse en venta parte de los dicas, un 16%, comprados a $1232
Como para estar un 30% liquido por un tiempo.... el jueves veo que hago...
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manchadomartin escribió:"(...) no debería descartarse la posibilidad de que simbólicamente se depositen los pagos a los bonistas que ingresaron en los canjes de 2005 y 2010 que en teoría iban a efectuarse el 30 de junio y luego con los sucesivos vencimientos, en la Caja de Valores. "Queremos pagar pero no nos dejan", sería el mensaje o slogan en la siguiente movida del Gobierno"
http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=745486
rivas144 escribió: Eso sería lo más estúpido de todo
hernan1974 escribió:Entonces, esperable de este gobierno
No tiene sentido eso, porque perdés plata, no negociás, y no mejorás tu imagen política ante nadie.
Lo más probable es que hoy Cristina salga a decir que no va a pagar la usura de los fondos buitres, y la especulación y el capitalismo salvaje y lrpqlp
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hernan1974
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manchadomartin escribió:"(...) no debería descartarse la posibilidad de que simbólicamente se depositen los pagos a los bonistas que ingresaron en los canjes de 2005 y 2010 que en teoría iban a efectuarse el 30 de junio y luego con los sucesivos vencimientos, en la Caja de Valores. "Queremos pagar pero no nos dejan", sería el mensaje o slogan en la siguiente movida del Gobierno"
http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=745486
rivas144 escribió: Eso sería lo más estúpido de todo
Entonces, esperable de este gobierno
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riverplatense
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Compraste noma'? Que estomagoooo!,
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No relief for Argentina on debt
Unmoved by pleas that ruling against Argentina on how it manages its overseas debt will upset the entire global process of government borrowing, the Supreme Court on Monday firmly rejected any legal relief for that country against creditors to whom it owes billions.
In a seven-to-one decision (with one Justice not taking part), the Court ruled that investors who bought bonds that went into default and never drew any pay from Argentina can get access to a potentially wide array of bank records to locate financial assets overseas that those investors might be able to seize as compensation.
And, without comment, the Court cleared the way for those same investors to demand payment on the bonds they hold whenever Argentina makes any payments to holders of later bond issues which that country has continued to honor. At this point, it is not clear when that opportunity would actually occur, as a practical matter, because Argentina has some legal maneuvers still available and there has been some talk of a potential settlement deal.
After weeks of anticipation about how the Court would deal with the long-running legal fight over Argentina’s debts to foreign investors, the Justices took what well may be decisive action on both that government’s obligations to those investors and the options open to those investors to find out where Argentina keeps its money, around the globe — an initial step toward going after some of those assets.
The most immediate effect of the Court’s two responses appeared to be that Argentina’s ability to raise new money to finance government operations could be significantly impaired in U.S. money markets, and probably in such markets elsewhere in the world. The U.S. government had given Argentina a good deal of support as this legal fight went on, precisely because U.S. officials feared that government debt restructuring around the globe could be disrupted if Argentina lost.
Although lower U.S. courts had expressed confidence that Argentina now has the financial assets to meet its obligations to all of the holders of its overseas debt, there was at least a possibility that Argentina might be forced into a new round of default — something that has happened to it repeatedly at various times over the last century. There have also been indications that Argentina would make a new attempt to refinance its debt, but would try to do so outside the U.S., to get out of the reach of U.S. courts.
For now, however, the Supreme Court, having acted on both disputes before it, is now likely to move to the sidelines, as the legal scene shifts back to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit and a federal judge, U.S. District Judge Thomas P. Griesa, in New York City — the two courts most centrally involved with the South American nation’s financial troubles.
Argentina does have the option of asking the Supreme Court to reconsider, but such pleas almost never succeed. Such a request by Argentina, however, would not prevent the Supreme Court’s denial of review of its payment obligations toward holders of its defaulted bonds.
Clearly the most significant action by the Justices was that denial of review, because it made final and binding rulings by the lower courts that Argentina was required by its own promises to provide equal treatment to holders of its defaulted bonds and holders of new issues of bonds it later sold to investors who were willing to swap defaulted bonds.
Argentina, those lower courts had held, had made those promises as part of its effort to induce international investors to take a chance on a country with a long record of defaulting on its debts. The key promise, those courts found, was that it would treat holders of the defaulted issues equally in repayment with holders of the later issues. Not a single payment could be made to the later investors without triggering an obligation to pay off the earlier ones, according to those rulings.
Besides refusing to hear Argentina’s plea that U.S. courts had no authority to command how it, as a sovereign nation, deals with holders of its external debt, the Court silently turned aside a plea by Argentina to get an interpretation by New York state courts of just what legal obligations of equal treatment Argentina has undertaken in selling the now-defaulted bonds.
In contrast to the simple denial of those issues, the Court issued a full-dress opinion on the separate question of how wide an opportunity the holders of defaulted bonds would have to gather information from two banks about the location of Argentina’s financial assets overseas.
In an opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia, the Court rejected Argentina’s argument that those bondholders could only seek information about assets that that country keeps in the United States. Argentina had relied upon a 1976 U.S. law seeking to insulate foreign governments from some legal obligations in U.S. courts.
For one thing, Justice Scalia noted, Argentina had given up its immunity to demands for information about its assets that could be used to cover its obligations on debts. But, in addition, Scalia wrote, the 1976 law on foreign immunity simply says nothing at all about giving foreign governments immunity to demands that they produce information that may be necessary to satisfy a debt obligation they had undertaken.
The Scalia opinion had the support of six other Justices. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg filed a brief dissent, and Justice Sonia Sotomayor took no part. Sotomayor appeared to have taken herself out of the case because she had had something to do with the Argentina debt litigation when she was a judge on the Second Circuit.
Unmoved by pleas that ruling against Argentina on how it manages its overseas debt will upset the entire global process of government borrowing, the Supreme Court on Monday firmly rejected any legal relief for that country against creditors to whom it owes billions.
In a seven-to-one decision (with one Justice not taking part), the Court ruled that investors who bought bonds that went into default and never drew any pay from Argentina can get access to a potentially wide array of bank records to locate financial assets overseas that those investors might be able to seize as compensation.
And, without comment, the Court cleared the way for those same investors to demand payment on the bonds they hold whenever Argentina makes any payments to holders of later bond issues which that country has continued to honor. At this point, it is not clear when that opportunity would actually occur, as a practical matter, because Argentina has some legal maneuvers still available and there has been some talk of a potential settlement deal.
After weeks of anticipation about how the Court would deal with the long-running legal fight over Argentina’s debts to foreign investors, the Justices took what well may be decisive action on both that government’s obligations to those investors and the options open to those investors to find out where Argentina keeps its money, around the globe — an initial step toward going after some of those assets.
The most immediate effect of the Court’s two responses appeared to be that Argentina’s ability to raise new money to finance government operations could be significantly impaired in U.S. money markets, and probably in such markets elsewhere in the world. The U.S. government had given Argentina a good deal of support as this legal fight went on, precisely because U.S. officials feared that government debt restructuring around the globe could be disrupted if Argentina lost.
Although lower U.S. courts had expressed confidence that Argentina now has the financial assets to meet its obligations to all of the holders of its overseas debt, there was at least a possibility that Argentina might be forced into a new round of default — something that has happened to it repeatedly at various times over the last century. There have also been indications that Argentina would make a new attempt to refinance its debt, but would try to do so outside the U.S., to get out of the reach of U.S. courts.
For now, however, the Supreme Court, having acted on both disputes before it, is now likely to move to the sidelines, as the legal scene shifts back to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit and a federal judge, U.S. District Judge Thomas P. Griesa, in New York City — the two courts most centrally involved with the South American nation’s financial troubles.
Argentina does have the option of asking the Supreme Court to reconsider, but such pleas almost never succeed. Such a request by Argentina, however, would not prevent the Supreme Court’s denial of review of its payment obligations toward holders of its defaulted bonds.
Clearly the most significant action by the Justices was that denial of review, because it made final and binding rulings by the lower courts that Argentina was required by its own promises to provide equal treatment to holders of its defaulted bonds and holders of new issues of bonds it later sold to investors who were willing to swap defaulted bonds.
Argentina, those lower courts had held, had made those promises as part of its effort to induce international investors to take a chance on a country with a long record of defaulting on its debts. The key promise, those courts found, was that it would treat holders of the defaulted issues equally in repayment with holders of the later issues. Not a single payment could be made to the later investors without triggering an obligation to pay off the earlier ones, according to those rulings.
Besides refusing to hear Argentina’s plea that U.S. courts had no authority to command how it, as a sovereign nation, deals with holders of its external debt, the Court silently turned aside a plea by Argentina to get an interpretation by New York state courts of just what legal obligations of equal treatment Argentina has undertaken in selling the now-defaulted bonds.
In contrast to the simple denial of those issues, the Court issued a full-dress opinion on the separate question of how wide an opportunity the holders of defaulted bonds would have to gather information from two banks about the location of Argentina’s financial assets overseas.
In an opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia, the Court rejected Argentina’s argument that those bondholders could only seek information about assets that that country keeps in the United States. Argentina had relied upon a 1976 U.S. law seeking to insulate foreign governments from some legal obligations in U.S. courts.
For one thing, Justice Scalia noted, Argentina had given up its immunity to demands for information about its assets that could be used to cover its obligations on debts. But, in addition, Scalia wrote, the 1976 law on foreign immunity simply says nothing at all about giving foreign governments immunity to demands that they produce information that may be necessary to satisfy a debt obligation they had undertaken.
The Scalia opinion had the support of six other Justices. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg filed a brief dissent, and Justice Sonia Sotomayor took no part. Sotomayor appeared to have taken herself out of the case because she had had something to do with the Argentina debt litigation when she was a judge on the Second Circuit.
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mmarcodelpont escribió:Decían en TN que la Argentina puede pedir rever el fallo, que le daría un par de meses para poder pagar el vencimiento de junio, es si la respuesta tarde eso.
te da 25 dias.... mas para el pago del dicy[/quote]
Es casi imposible que te lo tomen. Además es muy poco tiempo mas
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riverplatense escribió:
Lo dije la semana pasada esto del PARA, chiquitin.
Che que cagada, el mercado va a estar intratable por un rato largo... que se hace con la plata? Tasa?
Perfecto,pero en 460 compre un 12% abajo...
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riverplatense
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CHIQUI1 escribió:Lo único que compraría en estos momentos si me obligan a hacerlo sería el PARA, porque tiene paridad baja y bajo interés.
Lo dije la semana pasada esto del PARA, chiquitin.
Che que cagada, el mercado va a estar intratable por un rato largo... que se hace con la plata? Tasa?
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MAGICBOX escribió:No entiendo como CCl esta bajando..alguna explicacion posible??
A pesar de todo entra guita de afuera para comprar el riesguito argentino?
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mientras la cadena sea antes de Ghana vs USA todo bien...
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MAGICBOX escribió:No entiendo como CCl esta bajando..alguna explicacion posible??
Cuando no tengas explicación, usa la razón
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